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Racer Number Requirement Reminder

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Posted 13 March 2018 - 02:25 PM

Just a reminder to returning racers - numbers will be required on the sides of bikes this year.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 03:44 PM

I know that this is a rule now. However, my bike (R3) doesnt have enough room on the rear of the lower for numbers that are large enough. So, Im not sure what to do.
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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:16 PM

View PostWillMill, on 13 March 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

I know that this is a rule now. However, my bike (R3) doesnt have enough room on the rear of the lower for numbers that are large enough. So, Im not sure what to do.


The numbers on lowers only need to be 4 inches, and they can be anywhere on the side that is not obstructed by the rider. So maybe ahead of your footpegs? They won't make you put a number where there is no bodywork.

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 06:56 AM

The rule book seems to contradict its self on numbers

Section 6, #29: Numbers of approximately 4"- 6" high may
be used on the rear and/or side plates as long as the number is
clearly visible at speed.

"and/or side plates" meaning you don't have to have side plate numbers so long as your number is properly displayed on the tail.

Section 6, #29e: A number plate must be displayed on each side of the lower rear
portion of the lower fairing. If there is no fairing, then separate side
number plates are required.


So is it "and/or" side numbers or is it a "must" to have numbers on the sides?
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:34 AM

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:28 AM

When in doubt, go with the more strict rule.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:33 AM

I smell a rulebook change coming!
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:30 AM

View PostVictor Ward, on 14 March 2018 - 06:56 AM, said:

The rule book seems to contradict its self on numbers

Section 6, #29: Numbers of approximately 4"- 6" high may
be used on the rear and/or side plates as long as the number is
clearly visible at speed.

"and/or side plates" meaning you don't have to have side plate numbers so long as your number is properly displayed on the tail.

Section 6, #29e: A number plate must be displayed on each side of the lower rear
portion of the lower fairing. If there is no fairing, then separate side
number plates are required.


So is it "and/or" side numbers or is it a "must" to have numbers on the sides?



What that means is you may use 4-inch numbers on the sides and tail VS the 6-inch required for the front. It does not mean that side numbers are not required if there is a tail number. It's confusing because tail numbers are not required at all, so I don't know why they specify anything about them. Personally I don't get why it shouldn't be either/or, since tail numbers are fine on some bikes, but the rulebook says side numbers are required.
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Posted 20 March 2018 - 05:57 PM

Hey folks,

The intent of the rule is that if you can't clearly display a number on your tail, side numbers need to be used instead, and be placed on both sides of the bike. No need to run both side and tail numbers. We'll take note to update the rulebook.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

James - Membership director
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Posted 20 March 2018 - 07:03 PM

View PostJames205, on 20 March 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:

Hey folks,

The intent of the rule is that if you can't clearly display a number on your tail, side numbers need to be used instead, and be placed on both sides of the bike. No need to run both side and tail numbers. We'll take note to update the rulebook.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

James - Membership director


I was under the impression that tail numbers are no longer valid, and side numbers are required.
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Posted 20 March 2018 - 08:18 PM

Ok so front number and tail number is ok, and front and lower sides is also ok. But front, tail and lower sides is overkill.

Am I getting that correct?
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Posted 21 March 2018 - 12:54 PM

View PostTyykila731, on 20 March 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

Ok so front number and tail number is ok, and front and lower sides is also ok. But front, tail and lower sides is overkill.

Am I getting that correct?


More or less yes, you are correct. Tech is going to put an article in the April newsletter helping to clarify this.

The intent of the change was based on the stinger tails not having room for numbers on them. Thus allowing numbers of adequate size and back ground to be used on the fairing /belly pan sides.

I would not call having both "overkill" making sure that workers can identify who is who on the track is important for safety and communication with the stewards/F&C workers.

Personally I run one rear facing number on top of the tail on my GSXR, and numbers on the belly pan on either side, this way in any corner, leaning toward or away from the flagging station workers should be able to see what bike number I am.
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Posted 22 March 2018 - 05:46 PM

View PostTyykila731, on 20 March 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

Ok so front number and tail number is ok, and front and lower sides is also ok. But front, tail and lower sides is overkill.

Am I getting that correct?


Too many numbers is never overkill. As a corner worker, being able to read a bikes number clearly is good for everyone. Lets just say for example, a corner worker notices a safety issue with your bike. If they cant read the number, they are now asking other corners to try to catch it. This is bad for a couple reasons. One, its occupying the radios. If there was an incident that happened while we are trying to figure out your bike number, the incident call might get stepped on, causing a longer response time if extra help from course, or an ambulance is needed. Another reason would be if you are smoking, or something else is noticed thats causing a safety issue, we need a bike number asap to get you black flagged, to get you off course, as to not cause a hazard for you or other riders. The left hand turns are especially hard to read bike numbers because corner stations are on the inside of the track, and sometimes too far away to catch a front number. And seeing a tail number is nearly impossible. Those are the corners where I really appreciate a clear number on the side. If you have room, I run my number on the bottom of my belly pan for those corners as well.
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Posted 22 March 2018 - 06:38 PM

Oh I'm a fan of overkill. I was already planning for a 4 piece number set.
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Posted 22 March 2018 - 06:38 PM

Oh I'm a fan of overkill. I was already planning for a 4 piece number set.
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