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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:01 AM

I do not see an issue with that.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 09:20 AM

View Postmacs pal, on 16 January 2019 - 08:01 AM, said:

I do not see an issue with that.

So the Kramer qualifies for Unlimited? Nice.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 10:09 AM

Sure. Kramer in everything!
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 02:41 PM

View PostTLRSKUNK, on 16 January 2019 - 04:11 AM, said:

SO if HW went away would that allow Novices to bump to UNL on MW's when they can't currently?


If the board decided to take away HW, they would be wise to consider allowing MW novice's to bump to UNL if there was no alternative class in that category implemented. Considering there are only about 2-3 UNL novice riders every year, this seems like a no brainer to allow novices to bump if HW isn't an option. All hypothetical at this point; I don't believe HW to be going away. With the addition of the 90's cup, and the fact that it's tacked on to the back of the HW race, and HW experts and novices are starting in the same wave, I'd be okay with seeing it go away all together. I'd rather race with expert UNL racers, than HW novice racers.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 07:34 PM

What class is the ktm 790 eligible for? Middle weight?
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 07:54 PM

View Postmacs pal, on 16 January 2019 - 07:34 PM, said:

What class is the ktm 790 eligible for? Middle weight?


Yeap, "up to 850cc 4 stroke overhead cam twins"
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:02 PM

How does it work with ccs when they come here if it is a LW bike with them?
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:22 PM

View Postmacs pal, on 16 January 2019 - 08:02 PM, said:

How does it work with ccs when they come here if it is a LW bike with them?

I ran the CCS 300 class on my R3, when we raced with them at RA, which isn't eligible. I earn CRA points, but not CCS points. In 2017 there was a CCS rider that rode a Ducati 400 in FW, he was protested, and did not earn CRA points, I believe he still got CCS points. He was instructed to sign up for FW, even though he wasn't eligible. I would assume something similar to that would work with the 790.
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Posted 16 January 2019 - 08:33 PM

View PostWillMill, on 16 January 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

I ran the CCS 300 class on my R3, when we raced with them at RA, which isn't eligible. I earn CRA points, but not CCS points. In 2017 there was a CCS rider that rode a Ducati 400 in FW, he was protested, and did not earn CRA points, I believe he still got CCS points. He was instructed to sign up for FW, even though he wasn't eligible. I would assume something similar to that would work with the 790.


Right on. I hope someone brings one! It would be cool to see how they go around BIR
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 07:32 AM

View Postmacs pal, on 16 January 2019 - 08:33 PM, said:

Right on. I hope someone brings one! It would be cool to see how they go around BIR

Will is spot on with the conversions like this - a CCS racer with the CRA on a KTM790 would run with the CRA LW race, and be DQ'd from CRA points but earn CCS points. At least that's how it's worked in the past!
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 11:27 AM

Makes sense
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Posted 04 February 2019 - 04:37 PM

The 2019 Rules are out.

See the CRA Website Here <-- Linky
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Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:13 AM

The rules state that you can replace your subframe. In your opinion does a bike like the Honda F2 have a subframe? There is not a part that can be replaced without cutting material off. To me the F2 and bikes like it only have a frame. Is that correct?

Does that change with superbike?

2) FRAMES
a) The frame must be as originally supplied by the manufacturer
on the approved model.
B) Strengthening gussets or tubes may be added.
c) Only brackets or tubes not supporting suspension, engine or
driveline components may be removed.
d) Swing arms may be modified or replaced.
e) Rear shocks may be replaced or relocated
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Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:33 AM

View Postmacs pal, on 06 February 2019 - 07:13 AM, said:

The rules state that you can replace your subframe. In your opinion does a bike like the Honda F2 have a subframe? There is not a part that can be replaced without cutting material off. To me the F2 and bikes like it only have a frame. Is that correct?

Does that change with superbike?

2) FRAMES
a) The frame must be as originally supplied by the manufacturer
on the approved model.
B) Strengthening gussets or tubes may be added.
c) Only brackets or tubes not supporting suspension, engine or
driveline components may be removed.
d) Swing arms may be modified or replaced.
e) Rear shocks may be replaced or relocated

My interpretation:
Supersport:
For motorcycles like the F2, FZ07, and the new SV650 that have 1 piece frames and subframes - they are NOT eligible to have their "subframes" cut off and replaced with something else. Though I would be fine if the verbiage was updated to allow that, see below*.

Superbike:
Those motorcycles ARE eligible to have their "subframes" cut off and replaced with something else. This would follow the rule you posted 8.2.c "brackets or tubes not supporting engine/suspension/driveline may be removed." Then 8.2.b allows you to add tubes back in.


*This was an issue in MotoAmerica last year - they updated the 2019 rules with this text: "Brackets may be welded or bolted to the main frame for the purpose of constructing a detachable rear sub-frame. These brackets may not be used to change the rigidity of the main frame."
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Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:30 PM

In an unrelated story, the used marketplace is suddenly flooded with sets of wheels and DOT's!
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