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NOTICE Rule book update.

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Posted 21 June 2019 - 08:16 AM

During the June event it was discovered that some verbiage was not clear in the Licensing section. This prompted the board to add some clarity. (new verbiage in bold)

Section 1.4.Applicants, less than 18 years and over 16 years of age must provide a notarized copy of the CRA Minor License Release Form signed by their parent or guardian. Licensing of minors under 16 years of age requires the approval of the Chief Steward.Riders under 16 years of age are prohibited.

 

The rule book on the website reflects the recent changes.

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 04:52 PM

View PostCRA Webmaster, on 21 June 2019 - 08:16 AM, said:

<p>During the June event it was discovered that some verbiage was not clear in the Licensing section. This prompted the board to add some clarity. (new verbiage in bold)</p><p style="padding-left: 60px;">Section 1.4.Applicants, less than 18 years <strong><em>and over 16 years of age </em></strong>must provide a notarized copy of the CRA Minor License Release Form signed by their parent or guardian. <del>Licensing of minors under 16 years of age requires the approval of the Chief Steward.</del><strong><em>Riders under 16 years of age are prohibited.</em></strong></p><p></p><p>The rule book on the website reflects the recent changes.</p><p>Respectfully,</p><p>the Board of Directors.</p>

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This explicitly excludes 16 year old riders. Was that the intent?
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Posted 02 July 2019 - 08:40 AM

View Postspargo19, on 01 July 2019 - 04:52 PM, said:

This explicitly excludes 16 year old riders. Was that the intent?

Under 16, so 15 or less. Assume this was the intent, yes.
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Posted 03 July 2019 - 02:11 PM

View PostChamp, on 02 July 2019 - 08:40 AM, said:

Under 16, so 15 or less. Assume this was the intent, yes.



I think Spargo19 is targeting the phrase "and over 16 years of age" as "over 16 years of age" could be interpreted to mean 17+.

The word "over" should have perhaps been phrased as "at least" which would have clearly meant 16+. I can see the contradiction in how it could be interpreted between the two separate sentences that he is pointing out. But ultimately I would hope if someone questioned it, they would reach out to the CRA and have a conversation for clarity.



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Posted 03 July 2019 - 02:53 PM

I think the problem is regular people versus computer geeks. To a geek, "greater than or equal to" is completely different from "greater than."
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Posted 03 July 2019 - 03:01 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh see I only registered the end part, under 16 not allowed.

Suppose in the legal definition, "over 16" would include those that have turned 16. As Jennifer notes, once a person turns 16, they are "at least" 16 but I can see how "over" can be considered the same. And as Jim notes, as I sit looking at my coding window on the other monitor, if I wrote greater than 16 it takes on a totally different meaning.
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Posted 03 July 2019 - 09:03 PM

Its easier if you think in terms of days or hours or minutes. You are only exactly an age at an instance in time. Anytime after that moment, you are over that amount. The thought and math is easy if you use days. 16 years old = 16*365 = 5840 days. If you are 5848 days old, you are "over 16".


I am not a lawyer and I have no idea if this is how it is interpreted legally lol.
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Posted 04 July 2019 - 09:59 AM

Technically at exactly 16 years old you are 5,844 days. 16*365.25 = 5,844
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 07:33 AM

View PostJim, on 03 July 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

I think the problem is regular people versus computer geeks. To a geek, "greater than or equal to" is completely different from "greater than."


"Regular People" is no excuse for ambiguity. :)

Ha. It appears this is everywhere as common vernacular now that I think about it. "Over 21" means at least 21, not 22. I mean, that's not what it means, but that's what everybody assumes is means, so in effect that's what it means.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 08:29 AM

View Posthenks, on 04 July 2019 - 09:59 AM, said:

Technically at exactly 16 years old you are 5,844 days. 16*365.25 = 5,844


A day that's always forgotten. As a Leap Day kid, I still forget once in a while, to include those outliers.
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Posted 05 July 2019 - 09:00 AM

View PostJenniferBastien, on 03 July 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

The word "over" should have perhaps been phrased as "at least" which would have clearly meant 16+.

If you read the terms of service for legalese computer-related stuff, the verbiage "at least" is used in reference to 13-year-olds.

Does anyone here feel that replacing "over" with "at least" would make it less clear?
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