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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:07 PM

If you have any rules you’d like to propose for the 2019 season, this is your chance! We get tons of input every year about changing things, and this is the way to get it done! If you have any questions about this process, don’t hesitate to ask.
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Posted 05 September 2018 - 02:46 PM

Aftermarket radiators (same size/material) in Supersport?
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Posted 08 September 2018 - 07:30 PM

If the results would show a DNF for riders who started the race but didnt complete 75% of the race there will be times when more contingency money can be paid out by having more people in the results. Contingency money can really help, and it doesnt cost the club anything, so it is a win win to everybody. The points can stay the same by not rewarding points unless 75% of laps are completed.

Also let the ninja 400 in the featherweight class so the Kawi riders can get contingency next year as the 300 will not pay after this year
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Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:13 PM

Isn't contingency paid out based on number of starters, not number of finishers? I know I haven't been around at all this year but that's how it's been in years past.
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 07:30 AM

View Postiowa129, on 08 September 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

If the results would show a DNF for riders who started the race but didnt complete 75% of the race there will be times when more contingency money can be paid out by having more people in the results. Contingency money can really help, and it doesnt cost the club anything, so it is a win win to everybody. The points can stay the same by not rewarding points unless 75% of laps are completed.

Also let the ninja 400 in the featherweight class so the Kawi riders can get contingency next year as the 300 will not pay after this year

Henks is right - it's paid on # of starters. The way it's happening now is correct based on how the companies that offer contingency ask us to report results.

Ninja 400? I suspect there will be some re-arrangement of the 2 smaller classes. Based on the performance of the Ninja 400 in MotoAmerica (before it got restricted) I'm not sure it fits to be racing with the R3/RC390. It's in an odd place, really.
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 08:11 AM

A separate 400 class that races same time as, and grids with, UL?
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 11:41 AM

View PostPOE, on 10 September 2018 - 08:11 AM, said:

A separate 400 class that races same time as, and grids with, UL?


Or just turn UL back into SS, SB, and GP. Contingency is usually paid in SS anyways. There is no great way to do it. If you let 400s run in FW, you are going to have quite a few upset R3 racers. If you separate the 400s, I doubt that you will ever get enough starters to pay. No matter how its done, somebody is going to be unhappy, so I guess you have to choose the route that upsets the fewest number of people.
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 12:30 PM

View PostWillMill, on 10 September 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

No matter how its done, somebody is going to be unhappy, so I guess you have to choose the route that upsets the fewest number of people.


My best guess would be to keep things as is. No one is racing a 400 now. Keep it that way. It's an odd bike and if someone wants to enter it in UL or GP1 races, go for it. Wait... it's a twin, right? Would that qualify for UL? Not sure what the displacement rules are for UL twins.
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 01:06 PM

View PostPOE, on 10 September 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

My best guess would be to keep things as is. No one is racing a 400 now. Keep it that way. It's an odd bike and if someone wants to enter it in UL or GP1 races, go for it. Wait... it's a twin, right? Would that qualify for UL? Not sure what the displacement rules are for UL twins.

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The Ninja 400 would get lit up in Ultralight, but dominate Featherweight. Probably not a good idea to ignore it just because nobody has one - it's the only small bike that Kawi makes since the 300 is gone.

Returning Ultralight to SS, SB, GP gives the N400 1 race to be competitive in (ULSS), but otherwise not competitive with the larger single cylinder motorcycles in the modified classes.

Not sure what the right solution is!
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 02:08 PM

View PostChamp, on 10 September 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

Not sure what the right solution is!

How bout just not being that guy that buys one, and wants the rules to change... Lol!
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 03:14 PM

View PostChamp, on 10 September 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

it's the only small bike that Kawi makes since the 300 is gone.


Oh. Did not realize the 300 was tossed from Kawi's lineup. They must be trying to beef up their A2 license (European) offering.

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43/24 - N400
40/18 - N300

That extra 100cc makes a minuscule difference. I bet there's a lot to gain with a SS build on a 400.
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 06:32 PM

View PostChamp, on 10 September 2018 - 07:30 AM, said:

Henks is right - it's paid on # of starters. The way it's happening now is correct based on how the companies that offer contingency ask us to report results.

Ninja 400? I suspect there will be some re-arrangement of the 2 smaller classes. Based on the performance of the Ninja 400 in MotoAmerica (before it got restricted) I'm not sure it fits to be racing with the R3/RC390. It's in an odd place, really.


Well then I read it wrong, has happened before and will probably happen again. I was looking at speedhive results and the riders that didnt complete the first lap were not shown in the results. The form that the companies get must be different from the speedhive results. Thanks for the clarification
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 06:45 PM

View PostPOE, on 10 September 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

Oh. Did not realize the 300 was tossed from Kawi's lineup. They must be trying to beef up their A2 license (European) offering.

HP/Torque

43/24 - N400
40/18 - N300

That extra 100cc makes a modest difference. I bet there's a lot to gain with a SS build on a 400.

The differential between the N300 and R3 is not that much different than the R3 N400 difference
I would also be willing to bet Kyle would still win most if the races on a well prepped 250 against N400s
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Posted 10 September 2018 - 06:49 PM

Anyone up for the idea of a Ninja 400 spec-class? With extremely limited performance mods such as the old Ninja 250 Spec-class?

I could get behind something like that.
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Posted 11 September 2018 - 08:37 AM

If you shake up a class structure too often you may lose participants as it raises the cost of competitiveness. I know from a CRA perspective that's difficult to say when Featherweight is as big as it is. But, I considered getting into featherweight in the past and again this year. Now with this N400 shakeup it makes me cautious. I'm the type of racer to buy used race bikes. Just like the N250-to-300 move, people will have to buy new bikes, or highly modify old bikes, to stay competitive. When will this class have stability? I suppose it's up to the manufacturers. But I don't want to be a new-to-me owner of an obsolete R3 next year or the year after. We do have to change with the times, but I guess I'm saying we can't do it every year or two.
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